Blog Prompt #3 (9/18/2018)

As you continue to work on your analysis assignment, let’s also continue our discussion of argument. What do you think makes an argument an “effective” argument. What are the basic characteristics that make some arguments better than others. Provide examples. On the other hand, what do you think are some characteristics of arguments that appear to be good arguments but are, in fact, ineffective or misleading arguments.

53 comments for “Blog Prompt #3 (9/18/2018)

  1. Kendra Zavala
    September 14, 2018 at 12:38 pm

    I believe that the key component to an effective argument is supporting evidence. Some basic characteristics of an argument are claims and reasoning, but without evidence it can be very hard to support the topic that you are arguing about. Essentially, without supporting evidence it can be hard to persuade someone to believe what you believe. An example of this is global warming. The two views on the topic are either that global warming is real, or its not. One might argue that global warming is true because of the temperature rising over the past few years; however, without supporting evidence, it can be hard defend your argument. On the other hand, some characteristics arguments can be misleading or ineffective. An example of an ineffective characteristic is false equivalence. This is when someone may try to make two arguments appear similar when they are not. An example would be comparing a whale to a cat. If one were to compare the two and state that they are similar because they are both living mammals. Although this may be true, this is under false equivalence because they are different animals in terms of their bone structure, eating habits, behaviors, and their ecosystem. Some people use false equivalence when trying to have an “effective argument,” but this method is ineffective because they are many ways to retaliate against this method.

  2. Hannah Gunter
    September 14, 2018 at 12:46 pm

    An effective argument first starts with claims. Claims are what the writer believes based on facts that they have researched. Basically, like a conclusion. The second component to make an effective argument is evidence. This is also known as facts. This can be displayed as quotes, statistics, or even a summery of something based of the argument topic. All arguments need to be backed up with facts. This helps the writer persuade the listeners to see their point of view. Moving from an effective to an ineffective argument. An argument that is misleading usually has facts that are based on opinion. This doesn’t make them 100% true. Not doing effective research on the argumentative topic also doesn’t make the argument effective.

  3. Coral Crittenden
    September 14, 2018 at 4:30 pm

    Arguments become effective when both parties are open minded, and one can clearly see the claims the other person makes. Both sides need to have something to back up what they’re fighting for, and a will to not give up until proven wrong. In example, say one person claims Disney World, Florida is better than Disneyland California. The dispute can’t arise simply over that personal opinion and someone hopes their point gets across. Both sides can bring pictures, or facts to help their side. For World, they can claim it has 4 parks. while Land only has 2, thus providing more entertainment, rides, and food. Land can then claim that it was built first and while Walt was alive, unlike World which was only in its first stages of plans before he died, so Land was made by Walt himself, but World was not, making it better. Support for your argument is what makes your position strong.

    Misleading characteristics can be what I mentioned above, opinions. Both sides that I made for the Disney debate were more-so opinionated rather than fact based. They could do research for statistics and present that along side their initial “proof” to help build their viewpoint. Something else could be too many points. Bringing in too much to back yourself up can eventually lead you to contradict yourself, tire both you and your “opponent” out, and be overwhelming. The important aspect of an argument is being open minded, and if you’re focused on forcing your side on the other person rather than presenting you opinion and letting them digest it on their own, you can cause issues. They’ll become defensive and not want to accept your side. Issues like this surrounds religion, with Christians apparently trying to “shove it down people’s throat’s”. Being prepared is great, but allow the other side to input their ideas as well.

  4. Airyhana
    September 14, 2018 at 5:32 pm

    All good arguments start with a claim. Claims are usually taken from the person trying to persuade the audience. Following the claim evidence and facts are used to back up the reason in which the person believes in their claim. If the evidence is repetitive and there isn’t more than one source available to follow the accusations or side taken then we can expect the claim to not be factual. Basic characteristics of a good argument would be loud, honest, passionate, and long. If both parties have different claims it might take awhile to persuade the other one to believe in your claim. Some arguments get heated and loud, also anyone able to persuae a group on a specific topic must be passionate about their claim. Although some good arguments are short because one person may already have solid evidence and be able to shut the argument down sooner, so the length of an argument can be misleading.

  5. Brandon Hoover
    September 14, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    All effective arguments come with evidence, supporting claims, and persuasion. Stating ideas is great, but in order to come off as more truthful during an argument you need, research and evidence to show that you know what you’re talking about. The more sources to show the better also to support your claim. Having lots of information backing up your claim will not only show that your passionate about the argument you’re about to make but took the time to have a better understanding and knowledge. Not all arguments are long and boring either, some come and go very fast, depending on what it is and how much time you’ve put in to it.

  6. Melvin Mckie
    September 16, 2018 at 6:46 am

    I feel like an effective arguments must proof or evidences to state their claim. To make an argument true, you need research to back your idea up or show that u know what your taking about for your idea or claim. For example, if you  make an argument about what Lebron been better the Jordan, you have to come up with a lot evidences to show Lebron is better then Jordan, maybe stats, NBA rings or whatever to may your argument true but you going to have to have some type of evidence. All arguments are not easy to just fly by some can get very interesting, intense, very detailed depends on what your talking about. What I believe  comes in a argument is the respect you gave a person when u are arguing an to listen to when one another has to saying. Also, hold responsiblity of your thoughts an actions.


  7. Madison C. Ayers
    September 16, 2018 at 2:10 pm

    Many things make an effective argument. One way is you have to back up what you are arguing with evidence. Anyone can say that Georgia is better than Carolina, but it is not a valid statement until you go and research both of their past and present records. Another way is that the argument needs to be persuasive. The whole point of an argument is to get the audience to believe that you are correct. For example, Georgia is better than Carolina because in 2015 Georgia had a 10-3 record, in 2016 they had a 8-5 record and in 2017 they had a 13-2 record. In 2015 Carolina had a 3-9 record, in 2016 they had a 6-7 record, and in 2017 they had a 9-4 record. With this argument I had evidence to prove that Georgia does in fact have a better football team than Carolina and if you like winning then I persuaded you to like Georgia more than Carolina.

  8. Ithzel Contreras
    September 16, 2018 at 10:22 pm

    I think that claims supported by evidence make an argument an effective argument. The basic characteristics that make some arguments better that others are claims, reasoning and evidence. The evidence serves as support for the reasons offered and it helps persuade the audience into accepting the claims. For example, Lionel Messi is better than Cristiano Ronaldo because he is better with the ball at his feet, while Cristiano is often fouled and receives free kicks in his favor, some may say that both are great players because both have the same number of Ballon d’Or’s (5 each), some may say that Cristiano is better because he has more World Clubs won than Messi. I think that a characteristic of an argument that is misleading, is that it usually has facts that are based on opinions.

  9. Darrell Parker Lilly
    September 17, 2018 at 11:11 am

    If you want to have an effective argument you need two things, number one stay calm and number two make sure you have plenty of supporting evidence for the case you are arguing for. You can not get out of control you have to stay calm and not get in a shouting match. Some people feel the only way to win an augment is to just be louder then the other person. This of corse is not true, when you prepare to go into an argument not only look at your side but also look at the side your opposing this can help you see what they might ask you so you can have a good response to counter it. Try to see where they are coming from, don’t always just push it off at 100 percent not true there just might be something you don’t fully disagree with and might even expand your knowledge on the topic.

  10. Mikayla Morales
    September 17, 2018 at 11:17 am

    I believe the first step to a good argument is being able to support your topic with factual evidence. Research is an important part to any type of argument, wether it is verbal or in a paper. Anyone could say that one food is better than another, but without having facts to back up that argument, the argument is invalid. Another piece to a good argument is being open minded about the topic. If someone is biased towards a topic than the argument will once again be invalid. There are many ways that an argument could be misleading. Some topics may seem as if they are arguable when they in fact, could be answered with simple “yes” or “no” answers. An example of a argument topic like this would be asking a question such as, is one food better than another. In this situation, that argument question could easily be answered with a “yes” or “no”, and the argument would hit a dead end. An argument could also be misleading if the topic being discussed has not been researched properly. If someone is arguing a topic based off of only opinion than the argument will therefore be invalid.

  11. Estefania Fuentes
    September 17, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    To have an effective argument, you must have solid evidence. If you have evidence, you must explain it and keep in mind a counter argument. Research makes a more effective argument, because the sources are more reliable. For example, people can say that the world is round, but others may say that it is flat. However, if there is no proper evidence, then no one can know which is true or not. To prepare for an argument, you must have evidence, and be able to back up the reason why the world is flat or round. In an argument, some people think that yelling during an argument, or repeating it several times, makes the person right. However, to have a good argument, you must have evidence that is valid and can prove the point across. 

  12. Gabbi Hayes
    September 17, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    What does it mean to have an effective argument? Well, it means that the opinion that you have is supported by facts and does not leave off topic or the discussion until the point is proven to be true. Some of the characteristics that make up some of the arguments can be very persuasive, which is the whole point of an argument, you’re trying to persuade the other person or people that what you’re stating is true. Arguments also have evidence that supports its point, which makes it an effective argument. Effective arguments also use supporting evidence and claims, and when both sides are the argument can see each others point of view, for example, Lebron James is the highest paid NBA player which being payed $154 million. What I think is a good argument, but also misleading, are arguments that covers the question that is irrelevant to the conclusion and is very hasty.

  13. Chloe Corley
    September 17, 2018 at 3:07 pm

    Writing an effective argument has many chrematistics as to why and how to make it effective. First, an effective argument is only effective if you have evidence followed by details that support that evidence. Secondly, I believe that you need to really research and understand your topic before you begin to write about it. Thirdly, the writer should be aware of opposing arguments, state them, but point out why it isn’t right and have facts backing up as to why it isn’t right. Lastly, the writer should have a great thesis that is focused, arguable, and opinionated. The thesis, I think, is what really persuades the reader as to what side they should be on, following the supporting details.

  14. Cranston Jones
    September 17, 2018 at 3:11 pm

    If you want an effective argument that will require you to be able to persuade the other person and that’s the point of arguing, you are trying to change someone’s mind.  You need to understand your point of view and also the other persons.  First of all you are going to have to have facts to support your argument.  Not only do you need to have facts to support your claim but you need to actually know the facts and what you’re talking about.  You also are going to have to stay on topic and focus on that topic and that’s it.  Basically all you are going to need is evidence on your claim and to actually know it so you can persuade them.

  15. Kitten Johnson
    September 17, 2018 at 4:07 pm

    I think stating facts is very important is an argument. Having facts makes it very effective because you can have evidence to where you got the information from. sometimes in an argument the person will think that you are lying because they don’t think evidence is there but if you provide supported evidence then there is no need to argue any further.

  16. Shamerius Mack
    September 17, 2018 at 4:32 pm

    In writing some bases that help build an effective argument includes: a thesis statement to serve as a claim to your writing, details describing the claim, argumentative details that support your argument when opposed, reliable research, and proper steps in making sure your writing is strong enough to support the topic you’re arguing. Examples of these characteristics include: figurative language, primary sources, and relevant evidence. However, some ways that may seem good to include in your writing but aren’t include: opinions, secondary sources, or not the need to follow an organized structure while writing your paper.

  17. Anna Bevington
    September 17, 2018 at 4:50 pm

    A good argument isn’t about sophisticated language or being passionate about your opinions, even though those can be important. A good argument is written with a more professional voice that accounts for many sides of the argument. Including several sides will not only help the reader see you have considered other sides of the argument, but you would also be able to debunk or disprove those sides. A well-written argumentative essay is fact-based and written with logical evidence that is not only provided, but analyzed. You can’t just throw in a fact or two and force the reader to find the correlation. Writing an effective argument means being careful with your word choice. For instance, there is a huge difference between claiming something is “stupid” versus something being “unreasonable.” Using harsh or opinionated words will deter the reader from taking your argument seriously. There is also a difference between just throwing out your opinions and stating your claim. You can claim a side and still remain at least somewhat biased, especially if you back it up with legitimate evidence and refute claims against it. But if you are just shoving your opinions down someone’s throat, they are not likely to take your side on the issue.

  18. Ma'lesha Dawson
    September 17, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    I believe if you want to have an effective argument you will need facts. It’s hard to argue with facts even though to have a successful argument you will need a counterclaim. Looking at an argument from different point of views helps get a better understanding on the topic that you are arguing about. I also believe to have an effective argument you will need to have a good understanding on how to think about things critically. You will also need evidence to support your claim. If you don’t have evidence to support your claim, then I don’t think your claim can stand as strong or valid as you would want it to. An argument can often be full of opinions. Opinionated arguments to me is ineffective. It hard to persuade someone with only your opinions involved. Reasoning is one of the main components to an argument. Reasoning supports your claim throughout your paper. The conclusion to an argument must be strong.

  19. Keezee Florentville
    September 17, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    An argument is usually the main idea, often called a “claim” or “thesis statement,” backed up with evidence that supports the idea. To make an argument effective, one must ensure clear, firm and debatable thesis is created; provide the necessary background information on the topic; focus on organization and transitions and perform effective and thorough research ensuring the information is well planned and organized. Some basic characteristics that make arguments better than others include ensuring all the premises are true (the premises: the reason for accepting the conclusion must be true or at least believable in order for the argument to be cogent; consider all relevant information (this consideration includes addressing counter-arguments and objections to both the premises and the conclusions) and ensuring that it is valid (meaning that the premises do, in fact, give the readers reason to accept the conclusion). An example of this is falsely inferring that it is raining because the ground is wet. There are reasons other than rain that the ground could be wet; the sprinkler system for instance. Some characteristics of arguments that appear to be good but are in fact ineffective/misleading include those weakened by irrelevance and those that draw hasty conclusions. Arguments that bring in irrelevant information, intended to divert the audience’s attention from the points mentioned sometimes appear very informative but are in fact misleading; good arguments are clear and concise. Often an argument will employ enthymematic premises (an incomplete syllogism, in which one or more premises are unexpressed as their truth is considered to be self-evident) that are suppressed deliberately or accidentally overlooked, thus, the argument as presented, is hasty in its conclusions. Such arguments will often employ various other kinds of fallacies as diversions to fool you into thinking that the suppressed issue has in fact been addressed.

  20. Ashley Metts
    September 17, 2018 at 7:15 pm

    An effective argument is one that is open minded and is backed up by facts. You want to keep an open mind so that you are not putting down all of the counter arguments even if they are valid. As well as having evidence to support your argument. You also must have some idea about your argument from both sides. It is impossible to have a successful argument if you only have information about your side, you must be ready to counteract the other arguments. For example, if you have your evidence about say dogs are better than cats well if the other person brings up some ideas on why they believe cats are better you will most likely know what they are about to add and will be able to counteract their point. An argument that may appear to be promising might not be as effective if it could easily be answered by a “yes” or “no”. If your argument is easily answered and may need little to no information behind it is not an effective argument.

  21. Annalee McDaniel
    September 17, 2018 at 7:16 pm

    When we were talking about arguments in class I remember us talking about key concepts we believe made an argument. We said something about how it was trying to prove a point or when one person thinks their “facts” are right. An effective argument should have claims, supporting details and research. The claims are what the person believes to be right and this can be backed up by the supporting details and the research. This can be shown through statics, charts and quotes throughout the argument. In order for an argument to be proven as true you must show results and include everything listed above. In an ineffective argument one person might believe it’s their way or the highway. Thinking that their opinions are facts in their mind and would do anything to try and prove you wrong. This isn’t a good argument approach due to one person believing they are right and the other person believing they are right. Neither said is listening to the other thus no results come out of the argument. 

  22. Benjamin Jollie
    September 17, 2018 at 7:43 pm

    I think that having supporting evidence is a very important part of having an effective argument. I also think it is very important to know how to use that evidence to be able to counter any argument from the other side. For example, you cannot just say iPhones are better than Androids; you need to have evidence showing that iPhones are better than Androids. Even tough someone has a ton of facts that doesn’t make them true, while you do have do need to have the fasts straight, you also need to make sure your facts are true and from a credible source.

  23. Brenda Martinez
    September 17, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    Three key components to an effective argument include claims that are stated by the person who is presenting an argument, reasons that support those claims, and evidence that contributes to the reasons supporting your claims. For example, my claim would be “Adopting a plant-based vegan diet can help you prevent the leading diseases.” Then I would say one of my reasons could be, ” meats tend to be more fattier and many people who consume meat have developed high levels of cholesterol and diabetes.” Now with this reason, many people can start counterarguments and begin to refute this reason along with the claim. But it doesn’t just end there. When developing a strong argument you also need to be able to find research-based evidence to back up the argument otherwise, it makes your argument sound weak and lacking support, as well as, it makes the audience think you are less credible. A good evidence for this claim would be, “The international Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) has classified processed meats as a carcinogen, stating they found that eating 50 grams of processed meat every day increased the risk of colorectal cancer by 18%.” Usually science-based research is the kind of evidence people use to support their arguments since people are more oriented to believing doctors or other professional, but this can also be tricky since some research can be biased and funded by an industry making it doubt its credibility. This can be one of the misleading characteristics of convincing arguments when they start to incorporate research into their arguments,  also incorporating bias and irrelevant information are what drive an argument to be classified as ineffective to the topic being argued. Also another characteristic that can make an argument ineffective is not acknowledging the other persons argument and using effective skills to bring that person or audience into agreement with the claim that is being made, because at the end of the day the point of an argument is to have the audience see your claim as legit and well-supported so they can too agree with you.

    • Joseph Dixon
      September 18, 2018 at 2:46 am

      I think an argument has to have a reasoning behind it, two people or more can argue forever on things that don’t have and value or serve zero purpose the only way an argument even matters is the substance of it. some of the main characteristics of an argument are quotes which can be dialogue or someone quoting a magazine or an article to help back their argument, any time you can have different sources back up what you are trying to push you will be more successful in trying to get other to join your side. I think an argument is more effective if you can not only succeed in pushing your personal agenda but make the oppositions side look as bad as possible  an example of this is when trump and Hillary Clinton debated during the election season in 2016, no only did she try to make herself look good but tried to make her opposition look as bad as possible as she did it. Something that makes arguments ineffective would be one of the most common fallacies ” The Texas sharp shooter” where you choose specific data to fit an agenda which at times is effective it is also misleading.

  24. Eric Houser
    September 17, 2018 at 8:14 pm

    Part of what makes an argument effective is with evidence. Evidence can help back your side of the story and make the other side diminished. For example, in regards to the debate on smoking, there is researched evidence that there is a link from smoking use to lung cancer. This in part forcing the tobacco companies to acknowledge this fact, which diminished use of cigarettes from common use for everyone. The one part of arguments that can lead be a bit misleading is cyclic. Its going through an argument on point A is good because of point B, but your argument on point B is just circling back on point A. It sounds like a good argument in your head, but once it’s out there, it’s less effective because it’s just a big circle.

  25. Candace Crowder
    September 17, 2018 at 9:05 pm

    Most effective arguments have to be backed up with evidence. The basic characteristics that make arguments better than others are: facts and evidence. Such as people sometimes argue that softball is harder than baseball because softball players have less time to decide whether or not to swing the bat rather than baseball players. In my opinion, this argument is a very good argument and can be misleading. This because there are facts that show that softball players have less time to decide to swing the bat rather than baseball players and the misleading argument I think would be that baseball players think baseball is harder to play just because the ball is smaller so it would be harder to see.

  26. Carson Weeks
    September 17, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    To me an effective argument consists of good reasoning, appealing to the audience, and being open minded.  Good reason means like having enough facts and being able to explain them enough to where people can understand it.  Appealing to the audience can go a long way.  Having emotional appeal can persuade whoever you are arguing with.  Being open minded can help you understand the other persons argument and to be able to reason with with that.

  27. Jada Lee
    September 17, 2018 at 9:07 pm

    A large part of having an effective argument is factual proof or evidence. A claim, a point, and evidence are all characteristics of arguments. Without those aspects the argument is weak. When formulating an argument, you make a claim and then decide what the main point is you want to get across. Once the point is decided you research and gather evidence in support of your claim. For example, I could make a claim that driving a small car saves you more money on gas than driving an SUV or truck. I would then do research to find that, in fact, some cars can get as much as 40 miles to the gallon and some trucks can get as little as 13 miles to the gallon. Ineffective or misleading arguments are ones filled with evidence given from biased sources or evidence that is based on opinions rather than proven facts.

  28. Virginia Quarles
    September 17, 2018 at 9:25 pm

    An argument is effective when the writer can clearly convey his/her viewpoints. These viewpoints should have background evidence to support the argument. Techniques such as emotional, ethical, and logical appeals are useful when persuading the reader. A good argument contains a clear claim and solid evidence to support the claim. Evidence from credible sources to personal experiences are useful when supporting a claim. For example, smoking commercials use logical appeals to convey that smoking is unhealthy. The commercials will use people affected by smoking and their personal stories to make the viewer understand. To me, this kind of argument works better than a purely statistical argument. I believe it is effective to incorporate personal stories in arguments. It is also helpful to incorporate a counter argument to make the reader understand that the writer sees both sides of the argument. Ineffective arguments seem to contain scattered ideas without a clear claim. If the writer does not stick to a certain claim and is all over the place, the argument will most likely be ineffective.

  29. Tyler Gallman
    September 17, 2018 at 9:27 pm

    I believe an argument should be factual. An argument can never be fought off of merely opinions because that is not how you persuade. When you argue, your goal is to have the other person believe as you do. Sharing just opinions give the other party no reason to want to be on your side. Saying all of this, if you have a factual argument, you may have a reasonable chance to convince. 
    Then again, the concept of a civil argument is very important. An argument without civil talk with also get you nowhere as primary opinionated points will. When having an argument bring an open mind even when you have strong feelings on a topic. This is crucial when being professional in an argument. 
    Arguments can be very intellectual where both parties learn or they can turn into a shouting match with only opinions, getting them no where. Come prepared when arguing, but be open to learn. 

  30. Madalyn Shaver
    September 17, 2018 at 9:42 pm

    Personally, I feel effecting arguments come with valid opposing sides. In order to have a good, efficient argument, both sides have to be worth arguing  about. Additionally, it’s important to be well educated on the topics. The best arguments come from understanding both sides. For example, one of the biggest arguments in todays society is politics. To argue the side of a democrat it would be most effective if you were not only well educated on the Democratic party, but also the Republican party as well. I think where people go wrong with arguments is when they refuse to listen to the other side, or do not allow transparency within the argument. It’s hard to get a point across when the other person already has their mind made up.

  31. Mika Alday
    September 17, 2018 at 10:01 pm

    An argument takes a stand on an issue where it seeks to persuade an audience of a point of view. I believe that in order for an argument to be strong and effective, an argument should have a strong thesis statement supported by factual evidences. A thesis makes a specific statement to the reader about what a person is trying to argue. There are some characteristics that make some arguments better than others.
    A good argument should be convincing. If the argument is based on clear and accurate assumptions, provides relevant and sufficient support for its conclusion, and does not omit relevant evidence, then it’s a good argument. For example, Zade is Jaxon’s sister, and Jaxon is Kaylee’s brother. Therefore, Zade is Kaylee’s sister. All of the argument’s premises are true, therefore, it is a good argument. There are also instances where some arguments appear to be good arguments, but they tend to be ineffective or misleading. One case is going in circles, and eventually repeating the reason why your argument is that way.  

  32. Carson Cockrell
    September 17, 2018 at 10:48 pm

    I believe that the makings of a good argument consists of strong, valid points, as well as good commentary that elaborates on these points.  The importance of commentary comes into play because the person you are trying to persuade may not be the brightest individual.  Thus you must almost “dumb it down” so your points are completely clear.  When these two elements are combined there is virtually no counter argument that can or will be made.  Although there may be that one guy who decides to argue with no valid points and in that case you must listen to Mark Twain when he said, “never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”

  33. Staccaya Moyd
    September 18, 2018 at 12:04 am

    I feel that what makes good arguments are evidence,source rebuttals, and facts. Each argument must contain these characteristics to be able to get “the point”, or whatever subject the person is attempting to prove across. I feel as though arguments that just states a opinion for example,”raisin is the best choice of cereal to eat” is a argument that has no evidence behind it to back it up nor dies it prove anything but, if I were to state the nutrition value then, that would be my evidence behind, why I think raisin brand is the best cereal. With argumentative writing its important to include a reliable source, evidence and a rebuttal if needed.

  34. Za'Leayia Robinson
    September 18, 2018 at 8:46 am

    I believe that an effective argument is when you can get a point across and explain how everything comes to together as one. To make a story a good story you have to have a good thesis statement a legit and valid point to make your story good and full with good characteristics of a story. Also when you are trying to give a valid/good statement to back it up should always provide your sources so you know that you aren’t just making up anything and you have an legit argument with anyone about what you are writing.

  35. Helena Ridde
    September 18, 2018 at 9:07 am

    I believe that an “effective” argument should have many facts. Some characteristics that make an argument effective would be supporting your details, helping the other person(s) understand where you are coming from. An ineffective argument would be an argument without supporting evidence mainly just your opinion on the topic.

  36. Austin Williams
    September 18, 2018 at 9:11 am

    I think an argument to me is the claims that you make in that argument. Some of the basic characteristics are: having conversations with a goal, an argument that uses reason and evidence, and an argument that uses the topic’s complexity. Some other characteristics of an argument that appear to be good but in fact, are ineffective or misleading is; Is there a conclusion? Is the argument valid? Is the argument you are saying “strong’? Some people will also not have any valid reasoning behind their argument as well.

  37. Taylor Brown
    September 18, 2018 at 10:06 am

    I think a effective argument is good supporting evidence to a strong argument. I think the basic characteristics of an argument is being able to see the counterargument and understand where your opponent is coming from. For example in the last presidential election, Donald Trump was hell-bent that Hillary Clinton was wrong on everything she said; so he never really listened to her argument and had a rebuttal for everything she said.  Quotes, statistical and factual information also are good characteristics of a strong argument because it can help boost your credibility.I think some characteristics for a good argument even though it’s ineffective is being confident in what you talk about and being able to convince others.For example, the video you showed in class the man told his son that he doesn’t have to be right but to convince the other person as to why they are wrong. Another ineffective argument characteristic is just using emotional appeal because while it connects with your emotions it can lead to biased opinions and no credibility.

  38. Ave Parker
    September 18, 2018 at 10:51 am

    I believe that the key component to an effective argument is evidence. You have to come to an argument with facts. If you don’t state the facts, I feel like you’re arguing for no reason. The basic characteristics of an argument are claims and reasoning, but without evidence it can be very hard to support the topic that you are arguing about. Claims are what the writer believes based on facts that they have researched. Another way of having a successful argument is coming with an open mind. Open and willing to think deeper and not just focus on what you are bringing to the argument. For Example, I can say that vanilla ice cream is the best without any evidence supporting my claim.


  39. Marcus Edgington
    September 18, 2018 at 11:02 am

    I believe an effective argument must have a statement that can be proven. In order for an argument to be valid there has to be analytical research within the statement.  An example of an argument is that the average middle-class couple will spend $241,080 to raise a child, this does not include college as stated by CNN Money in 2013. The data in the article also states for this argument to be valid the income will need to be kept at the same wages and not factoring in college expenses. A misleading or ineffective argument would be a statement that is not backed by any data or research and could easily prove to be false. An example of one of these arguments is that on average it takes a million dollars to raise a child. This has been a saying for a long time, yet it is not true since that currency tends to float. When money floats its value changes with the time and economy around it.    

  40. Ryan Arnott
    September 18, 2018 at 12:16 pm

    I think an effective argument first starts with having a solid conclusion and claims to back it up. A true argument can’t be had if one side is solely trying to debunk the other side’s argument, there is no back and forth just a criticism on one view point. But for one side of the argument to be effective, that side needs to have statements that they believe to be true. These statements need to be backed by fact as opinion based arguments would lead nowhere and would be the repetition of claims over and over. For example, if I said that global warming is accelerating because of human influence, and I have all these charts, graphs, data, interviews, and the opposing side only talks about the flaws in my side, they haven’t provided any evidence and the argument isn’t going anywhere. Another example is an argument over what animal is the best animal, there is no factual evidence that can prove one animal is the best. An example of bad “good” arguments are “What-about-ism”. This is the technique of saying “well what about ___”, all this does is shift the focus of one side’s arguments and doesn’t do anything to prove your side.  

  41. James Jackson
    September 18, 2018 at 1:01 pm

    I believe that one of the most major components of an argument is supporting evidence, because how are you going to argue with someone without proof that you’re right ? And what’s an argument without proof; yelling. Facts make an arguments better, because it’s shows validity in what you’re saying. I believe yelling  can make someone think you’re correct in an argument, but it can be ineffective if what you’re yelling about isn’t facts.

  42. Caleb Fairchild
    September 18, 2018 at 1:42 pm

    Something that makes an argument effective is the supporting of claims by strong evidence. Some characteristics which make some arguments better than others are more compelling evidence, explaining that evidence in an easy to understand way, relating it back to one’s everyday life, expressing an argument in a non-intimating way, and using higher level language and speech throughout the argument. For example, simply saying that” burgers are the best food be ause tyey are better than other food and anyone who doesn’t agree doesn’t know what they’re talking about.” isn’t a strong argument because it uses no evidence, doesn’t relate it back to the reader, tries to intimidate the reader, and doesn’t use very high level of speech or reasoning. Arguments that appear good but are actual not, are circle-reasoning arguments. This is because circle reasoning arguments seem like they’re expressing some lind of evidence like in the above example but actually put nothing forward for evidence.

  43. T'Meira Brown
    September 18, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    I believe having evidence to back up your argument really strengthens it. If you don’t have appropriate data to conclude your argument, then it hurts your statement instead of helping. Without proper proof, it would be hard to convince your audience of your point of view. Evidence also gives you credibility. It builds trust with the audience. If you present your facts the right way, it can make you seem like a reasonable person. But in order to start an argument you would need to have organization. And by that I mean that your argument needs structure. I think the most effective structure would be to first have a claim, then evidence to verify your claim, and after that you would need to state how this claim relates to your argument as a whole. An example of an argument that follows this structure is kids spend most of their time indoors on technology, whether it be their phones, television, or computers. According to a study conducted by Common Sense Media kids under the age of nine used to have about 15 minutes of screen time but in 2013 it jumped to about 48 minutes a  day. 98% of homes now have a mobile device in their home, which is a huge jump from 52% just six years ago.

    If you rely too much on emotion to carry your argument than most likely your point will not get across to your audience. You have to balance out your use of emotion, facts, and ethics. With the right combination of all three, your argument will be clearly understood.

  44. Sydney Burk
    September 18, 2018 at 11:56 pm

    An effective argument isn’t trying to prove the opponent wrong, it is merely about informing the other person of why you believe you are right. There is no “winner” in any argument which is the biggest misconception to most people. Everyone believes that when having an argument, the outcome must end with someone being victorious, yet this is not the case. It is all about informing the opposite side with facts, not your opinion. Arguments aren’t supposed to be fights either, they are a discussion with two different views on a topic. Many people find themselves yelling during an argument, but it should be more of a discussion to inform the “opponent” of facts from their point of view. 

  45. Adeline
    September 20, 2018 at 9:49 am

    An effective argument requires many characteristics. When someone hears “argument” they automatically assume that either side is trying to prove something wrong and themselves right. Although that could be the case an effective argument would not be two sides yelling at one another. It would be two (or more) sides trying to inform the other side(s) their opinion or their facts they have found. A good way to convey that “effective” argument would be having precise information, staying respectful, and being open minded. These characteristics might surprise you but they are all important. When conveying information you would sound a lot smarter and most likely be able to persuade the audience to agree with your opinion because people tend to believe logistics over emotion. When in an argument you would need to stay respectful because just bashing or slandering the opposite side could make the audience think you are immature and could make them agree with someone else. The most important one is being open minded with your argument. If you continue to allow information to flow into your argument you could find yourself changing your mind or agreeing with someone else. As long as you have facts, are respectful, and open minded your argument should work perfectly and be able to convey others to agree with you.

  46. Rhyan Faile
    September 20, 2018 at 12:39 pm

    A good, effective argument is not an ‘argument’. It is more or less two sides in a debate over a problem. An example of this is whether or not illegal immigrants help or hurt the American economy. Some argue that illegals hurt the economy because they take jobs that Americans could have, for less pay. In adittion to the fact that some of these get their pay ‘under the table’, so no taxes are paid on the wages made by the illegals. Some say that the illegals take the jobs that no one wants, so they fill the gap that Americans leave in the revenue margin. So arguments ultimately come down to two sides that have differing opions on a civil or political or social issue.

  47. Cindy Lin
    September 20, 2018 at 9:56 pm

    In an argument, there is no right or wrong.  People just have different opinions on certain topics and want to express their opinions to others.  Others can either agree or disagree with your opinions, but you need to have strong, supportive evidence to back up your side of the argument.  You are not trying to prove the other side of the argument wrong, you are just trying to prove that your side is more “correct” based on your experience and evidence.  Your argument should also be clear and well organized, so your audience can understand the point that you are trying to get across.  

  48. Evan Condon
    September 24, 2018 at 7:38 pm

    An effective argument is one that appeals to ethos, pathos, and logos. Having factual information to support a claim is essential to prove that the point you are trying to make is true. You also want to appeal to ones logical side; make points that overall make sense. Including real life stories or points that show your side in real life scenarios also help make your claim stronger. Another thing that helps an argument is to make sure that you believe strongly in your own opinion and to make sure that you are one hundred percent behind yourself and the claim that you are trying to make.

  49. Andrea Blackwood
    September 24, 2018 at 9:17 pm

    To me an effective argument has to have two sides that are going to back up their sides of the disagreement with evidence and facts. Without evidence you’re basically just arguing for no reason because your point wont get across. It’s better to be educated about what your arguing about instead of giving out false or just random information. You can’t base an argument off opinions with someone that is stating facts because they automatically one the argument.

  50. Arionna Singleton
    September 25, 2018 at 8:51 am

    Effective arguments start with a claim and it has to have two sides to back up their evidence. Having factual information when supporting a claim proves the point you are trying to make. In an argument there is no right or wrong because people have their own opinions but if someone is already stating facts, they have already won the argument. It’s better to know what you are arguing about instead of arguing falsely information.

  51. kinley johnson
    October 15, 2018 at 3:33 pm

    An effective argument consists of accurate evidence that supports the point you are trying to get across. An arguer in an argument needs to know information about the opposing topic as well as their own. Within the argument the arguer should include different examples of ethos, logos, and pathos. In doing this, it will make your argument more appealing to the audience.

  52. Kayce Jendraszek
    December 6, 2018 at 12:19 pm

    An effective argument is made not by being the loudest speaker but rather by having the most compelling evidence.  In other words, it’s the quality of the argument that matters more than anything else.  If a person is arguing for something not to happen, they have to provide evidence on why that thing shouldn’t happen.  For instance, when arguing why a person shouldn’t make a sandwich on a dirty counter, cite evidence that it’s gross and could have bacteria that could give them a disease like the flu.  They should also keep in mind ethos, pathos, and logos, all tactics used to appeal to the audience.

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